Flameshield: YES!

itty: why?

Flameshield: Look at last week!! we killed lots a bosses got great loot, and ppl started to spend their DKP.
itty: how did we do that?

Flameshield: well uber leading from lucklass auri (ZA!!! went great thx m8) and myself, but other than thank i think we have setup just the right amount of raids.

itty: but i want more!

Flameshield: Compain to stelli!!

itty: no more raids i mean!!! (btw could u give stelli some advice on that subject aswell, he's a bit selfcentred)

Flameshield: My expierence with doing the inv, is that ppl are online and availeble on sun, tues, and wed most often. Also we should have a good mix of raid we have on grind (gruul, maggy, VR soon imo, hydros) And raid where we will get little loot out off yet (wipe fests).

Itty: but, but… what bout DKP??

Flameshield: if we make sure we get down some bosses per week, than im sure the loot will be spread out evenly…

Itty: why?

Flameshield: Well for instance i got very nice shoulders atm, the t5 are only a little upgrade for me… i aint gonna waste my points on that crab (right stelli ;P) The positive thing bout DKP is that ppl will be selective bout spending it, that gives ppl a chance of good quality items even with little DKP… Now the rly gd items all ppl will roll on and the ppl with the highest DKP wins… now isnt that fair???

Itty: Aw flamey ur so enlightent…

Flameshield: i know, i know, i wish i could write a flawless sentense though… i apologise for all the errors =(

Moreso i hate DPK, i hate that ppl let items be nuked, because the upgrade it not big enough to waste point on. I hate to see ppl getting demorolized, cause they are way behind on DPK points….

However in the previous system, i hated it when i was outrolled by someone who came with us for the first time… I hated seeing items go to some1 who didnt rly needed it, y ppl did roll for little upgrades too…. I hated to see ppl get demorolized cause for the 15th time in a row, they didnt get their t4 helmet (itty ea)

Anyway the point im trying to make DKP isnt perfect, nor was the rolling system we had…

I agree with oak, lets use the time we got right after the expansion comes out to get some thing improved. DKP CAP my well be a good addition however… whats the point when everybody has reached their DKP cap? (or maybe should get better raidleaders, that actually delivers u more loot to roll on)

Flameshield

I will say there are things that can be done to reduce the effects of DKP inflation but there not easy to automate with the eqDKP unless we rewrite a large amount of the backend scripts which is not an easy job.

I think the problem with inflation would still be there with a zero-sum-dkp system from the details I've seen. Relational DKP reduces the effects of massive DKP varience a little, but only a little.

In all there is no perfect system, someone will always be left out and to paraphase one of the longest death scenes in sci-fi movies "The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few". At the moment eqDKP fills the hole we had, it has many gaps around the edges and things still disappear down those gaps but in all we catch most things.

With the expansion around the corner the DKP issue will go away for awhile as we see how fast we can get to 80. In that time perhaps a few of us can work on something that will be slightly more perfect, plug a few of the remaining holes or at least shrink them a little :)

Basically "You just have to have on level 55 character and you can make a Death Knight, and you can make him of any race."

Worth a read

There does seem to be a lot of complaints over dkp atm, purely it seems because people like Stelli and Mongo have such huge amounts and people are worried that there not gonna be able to roll on anything so maybe another change is needed although I'd hate to put any more work on Itty as she already does so much for us. =P

http://eu.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=221003132 Something i'm gonna try and get soon I think, always a bit paranoid over hackers would hate to lose all the work i've put in on my chars.

By the way I think this all ends on Friday so move quick.

http://wow-unity.wikidot.com/security

It might be worth double checking for Spyware with Spybot (if you have a Windows machine). This usually weeds out any nasty things.

Hope that help.

Cronoz

PS - Just shout if you need any help levelling up or getting yourself up to spec

As for the point on Capping, Olly rightly says we would be back to rolling at some point however that isn't really an issue. When people get to the Cap their dkp gained per Raid could drop e.g. SSC would go from 9 to 3, Mags 5 to 2 etc.

The issue is the EQdkp system we use, can it cope with something as complex as this? Can it actually cope with having a maximum number of 200 or would it keep increasing it regardless? I am pretty sure Oak has said this sort of thing would need manual intervention and therefore be a nightmare to maintain.
Maybe there is a way to tweak it or perhaps instead there is a better package out there for us for next time (expansion)?